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		<title>By: Cory</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3958</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you C. A. Bridges.  This is a constructive response.  I hope, that as Jeremy and Jamie, among others also offered some good points.  Those who read this forum, Please add a short, supportive response.  IMHO we need to offer support for Fellow Browncoats who have helped keep Firefly/Serenity alive, as well as maintain a posative attitude with Universal, so that we can all win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you C. A. Bridges.  This is a constructive response.  I hope, that as Jeremy and Jamie, among others also offered some good points.  Those who read this forum, Please add a short, supportive response.  IMHO we need to offer support for Fellow Browncoats who have helped keep Firefly/Serenity alive, as well as maintain a posative attitude with Universal, so that we can all win.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3771</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did Universal never do for Serenity what was done for Snakes On A Plane? You know, license it directly to CafePress, say "You can make whatever merchandise you want so long as you don't use copyrighted/trademarked images", and leave it at that? I hope that in the end, that's what happens here. Because I would rather have that happen than to have a combination of really crappy official stuff that's not half as pretty as the fan-bought stuff and a really pissed off fanbase that gives up on the film. Psychologically speaking, I can't help but wonder if this will only increase the number of folks who DO create bootleg merchandise, just so "you won't be giving your money to those bastards at Fox or Universal", which will eventually jsut create a vicious cycle and bad publicity combined. 

I'd like to add to this Open Letter the following suggestion:

"Do what they did for Snakes On A Plane... and then drop the suit against 11th Hour Art, telling 11 Hour "Look, just don't do it again, OK?" to anything that actually did have trademarked/copyrighted images. Let fans know EXACTLY what is or is not trademarked/copyrighted, and tell them to be creative and use stuff other than that. Simple, effective, still allows you to make money with officially licensed stuff that has the actors' pictures or the film's logo on 'em (hey, I'd pay extra for that on a nice enough shirt, wouldn't you?), but doesn't piss off and alienate the very fanbase who allowed you to even come close to making your budget back for the film.

I also have a different, creative suggestion for Universal, if they don't want "unlicensed merchandise" floating around:

Make a deal with CafePress - or create a subsection on the official Universal site or Serenity Movie site, etc. - wherein fans can sell Firefly/Serenity merchandise BUT on each item there's an extra fee in addition to the cost of production, which is a per-item licensing fee - or perhaps, whatever a fan sets as the above-cost-of-production price, half of that goes to Universal and half to the fan (or the charity of their choice - this could easily turn into a great publicity thing tied in to Can't Stop The Serenity's now-annual charity screenings, no?), or maybe a different percentage that works even more in Universal's favor.

Hell, that sounds like a good enough idea that I think if I ever get my Studio's projects out and they become popular enough to have any kind of fanbase, that might just be what I do with it! Because who in their right mind would alienate the majority of their fanbase?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did Universal never do for Serenity what was done for Snakes On A Plane? You know, license it directly to CafePress, say &#8220;You can make whatever merchandise you want so long as you don&#8217;t use copyrighted/trademarked images&#8221;, and leave it at that? I hope that in the end, that&#8217;s what happens here. Because I would rather have that happen than to have a combination of really crappy official stuff that&#8217;s not half as pretty as the fan-bought stuff and a really pissed off fanbase that gives up on the film. Psychologically speaking, I can&#8217;t help but wonder if this will only increase the number of folks who DO create bootleg merchandise, just so &#8220;you won&#8217;t be giving your money to those bastards at Fox or Universal&#8221;, which will eventually jsut create a vicious cycle and bad publicity combined. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to add to this Open Letter the following suggestion:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do what they did for Snakes On A Plane&#8230; and then drop the suit against 11th Hour Art, telling 11 Hour &#8220;Look, just don&#8217;t do it again, OK?&#8221; to anything that actually did have trademarked/copyrighted images. Let fans know EXACTLY what is or is not trademarked/copyrighted, and tell them to be creative and use stuff other than that. Simple, effective, still allows you to make money with officially licensed stuff that has the actors&#8217; pictures or the film&#8217;s logo on &#8216;em (hey, I&#8217;d pay extra for that on a nice enough shirt, wouldn&#8217;t you?), but doesn&#8217;t piss off and alienate the very fanbase who allowed you to even come close to making your budget back for the film.</p>
<p>I also have a different, creative suggestion for Universal, if they don&#8217;t want &#8220;unlicensed merchandise&#8221; floating around:</p>
<p>Make a deal with CafePress - or create a subsection on the official Universal site or Serenity Movie site, etc. - wherein fans can sell Firefly/Serenity merchandise BUT on each item there&#8217;s an extra fee in addition to the cost of production, which is a per-item licensing fee - or perhaps, whatever a fan sets as the above-cost-of-production price, half of that goes to Universal and half to the fan (or the charity of their choice - this could easily turn into a great publicity thing tied in to Can&#8217;t Stop The Serenity&#8217;s now-annual charity screenings, no?), or maybe a different percentage that works even more in Universal&#8217;s favor.</p>
<p>Hell, that sounds like a good enough idea that I think if I ever get my Studio&#8217;s projects out and they become popular enough to have any kind of fanbase, that might just be what I do with it! Because who in their right mind would alienate the majority of their fanbase?</p>
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		<title>By: Marie/msree</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3564</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie/msree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite disappointing, though not unexpected. I have no artistic talent whatsoever and thus have not produced any merchandise. I have, however, purchased quite a bit of fan produced stuff. One third of my t-shirts are Firefly/Serenity related. (1/3 are hockey &#38; 1/3 are blood donor) I have also purchased officially licensed stuff. I bought 10 DVDs of the movie, 2 copies of the novelization, 4 sets of the comics, the Visual Companion and the soundtrack. They came out late with the T's and the quality wasn't what we were used to and we still bought them. What do these people want? They should pay 11th Hour for all the wonderful advertising she provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite disappointing, though not unexpected. I have no artistic talent whatsoever and thus have not produced any merchandise. I have, however, purchased quite a bit of fan produced stuff. One third of my t-shirts are Firefly/Serenity related. (1/3 are hockey &amp; 1/3 are blood donor) I have also purchased officially licensed stuff. I bought 10 DVDs of the movie, 2 copies of the novelization, 4 sets of the comics, the Visual Companion and the soundtrack. They came out late with the T&#8217;s and the quality wasn&#8217;t what we were used to and we still bought them. What do these people want? They should pay 11th Hour for all the wonderful advertising she provided.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate YHM</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3502</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate YHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very tactfully put.  Kuddos.  

I don't know that I could have kept my anger down that much, but my hat's off to you for pulling it off.  It's not that I don't understand the legality issues, it is the abuse.  

Universal knew, from the get-go, that Joss fans were more than crazy for Firefly... it is a HUGE part of the reason a film was ventured.  We were 'invited' to start guerilla marketing campaings and there was even a disappointing 'banner contest' that was more lack luster than Jayne's boots. Universal had thousands of aces in their back pockets - Browncoats of the world Unite!  And we did, we united, we marketed; I for one even canvased in my city, like a ruttin' missionary.  Hours spent, new shoes bought for sore feet, printer cartridges emptied, people looking at me like I'm a goram freak... none of this ever mattered to me if it meant more people would come to see that Joss' vision was one of real beauty and worth. 

And Universal are now living up to an opinion that was originally reserved for those other twits at Fox...  In the words of Mr. Fillion, "they kicked us down... and then they kicked us when we were down."

I think the whole thing stinks and, as the beautiful and not nearly as raging letter above depicts; we could have been included, we could have been handled with respect.  Browncoats are wonderful, giving, hopeful and imaginative folk but we're just as dedicated to act on behalf of our Big Damn Movie as we are likely to respond to Universal with the same hyper organization and zeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very tactfully put.  Kuddos.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that I could have kept my anger down that much, but my hat&#8217;s off to you for pulling it off.  It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t understand the legality issues, it is the abuse.  </p>
<p>Universal knew, from the get-go, that Joss fans were more than crazy for Firefly&#8230; it is a HUGE part of the reason a film was ventured.  We were &#8216;invited&#8217; to start guerilla marketing campaings and there was even a disappointing &#8216;banner contest&#8217; that was more lack luster than Jayne&#8217;s boots. Universal had thousands of aces in their back pockets - Browncoats of the world Unite!  And we did, we united, we marketed; I for one even canvased in my city, like a ruttin&#8217; missionary.  Hours spent, new shoes bought for sore feet, printer cartridges emptied, people looking at me like I&#8217;m a goram freak&#8230; none of this ever mattered to me if it meant more people would come to see that Joss&#8217; vision was one of real beauty and worth. </p>
<p>And Universal are now living up to an opinion that was originally reserved for those other twits at Fox&#8230;  In the words of Mr. Fillion, &#8220;they kicked us down&#8230; and then they kicked us when we were down.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the whole thing stinks and, as the beautiful and not nearly as raging letter above depicts; we could have been included, we could have been handled with respect.  Browncoats are wonderful, giving, hopeful and imaginative folk but we&#8217;re just as dedicated to act on behalf of our Big Damn Movie as we are likely to respond to Universal with the same hyper organization and zeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3493</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a Firefly fan, so when I say this, I don't want to seem like I'm catering to the wills of the Man keeping us down.

Out of all the close this and that sites down, I think one thing has been over looked here.  They are saying take down any non-licensed merchandise...  (With the exception of 11th Hour) they are not saying take down your sites.

I own bluesunshirts.com apparal, and frankly, I think it's the propoganda for the movie I have.  I know others do too.  I think if the maker of those products were to receive a license, he/she could keep the site up, and keep selling them.  Off hand, I don't know what a license costs, but I assure you I'd be all for contributing to a fund to get that license so sites like bluesuntshirts can stay around.

I think universal came over the top with what they did, but at the same time I think if we were more in tune with the needs of the company, that wouldn't have had to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Firefly fan, so when I say this, I don&#8217;t want to seem like I&#8217;m catering to the wills of the Man keeping us down.</p>
<p>Out of all the close this and that sites down, I think one thing has been over looked here.  They are saying take down any non-licensed merchandise&#8230;  (With the exception of 11th Hour) they are not saying take down your sites.</p>
<p>I own bluesunshirts.com apparal, and frankly, I think it&#8217;s the propoganda for the movie I have.  I know others do too.  I think if the maker of those products were to receive a license, he/she could keep the site up, and keep selling them.  Off hand, I don&#8217;t know what a license costs, but I assure you I&#8217;d be all for contributing to a fund to get that license so sites like bluesuntshirts can stay around.</p>
<p>I think universal came over the top with what they did, but at the same time I think if we were more in tune with the needs of the company, that wouldn&#8217;t have had to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Myrto 'ilovemycaptain'</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3461</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrto 'ilovemycaptain'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts exactly. I totally agree with you.</description>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3460</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the let down was mutual.  The fans and the studios are both at fault to a degree.  Do the Browncoats have so much solidarity that none of us were going to step forward to get licensed to at least have a creative fan selling our wares? Were we waiting for a studio to unexpectedly write ground breaking and possibly controversial viral licensing blanket agreements just for us?  Granted the studios could also have done better for their product.  They should have approached the Browncoats before selling the rights to the first entity asking for them.  The studios should have insisted on creativity, origanality, and quality.  Official licensed product is all that is left to those of us too lazy to make our own.  Ten designs are what's left.  Suffice to say they are not top shelf.  Only official logos and simple quote/character combos.  I want my freedom of choice back.  I want a blue sun knit cap, a fightin' elves shirt, a bobble headed geisha doll, and the the whole crappy town where I'm a hero.  It is probably not too late. Unless the current license holder has an ironclad noncompete agreement we can still choose to purchase our shiny stuff from a fellow Browncoat.  But only if one of us steps up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the let down was mutual.  The fans and the studios are both at fault to a degree.  Do the Browncoats have so much solidarity that none of us were going to step forward to get licensed to at least have a creative fan selling our wares? Were we waiting for a studio to unexpectedly write ground breaking and possibly controversial viral licensing blanket agreements just for us?  Granted the studios could also have done better for their product.  They should have approached the Browncoats before selling the rights to the first entity asking for them.  The studios should have insisted on creativity, origanality, and quality.  Official licensed product is all that is left to those of us too lazy to make our own.  Ten designs are what&#8217;s left.  Suffice to say they are not top shelf.  Only official logos and simple quote/character combos.  I want my freedom of choice back.  I want a blue sun knit cap, a fightin&#8217; elves shirt, a bobble headed geisha doll, and the the whole crappy town where I&#8217;m a hero.  It is probably not too late. Unless the current license holder has an ironclad noncompete agreement we can still choose to purchase our shiny stuff from a fellow Browncoat.  But only if one of us steps up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ameer</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3433</link>
		<dc:creator>Ameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope someone at Universal is going to read this.</description>
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		<title>By: Sigrid Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3383</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigrid Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How odd, how very odd. Today I heard some music that reminded me of Serenity. I wasn't sure of the match, so I unwrapped the DVD I bought for my daughter, and began to play a part of it, and was caught up again in the FF/Serenity 'verse. Then I learned of Universal's legal threats against 11th hour, whose CafePress shop shows original artwork of the Chinese character for "serenity." Now I wish I had sent the DVD back to Universal for a refund.

I'm not a lawyer. As you may know, a little bit, from the website I listed above, I was sued by the University of Pennsylvania for a tuition debt that I didn't owe. I proved it in court, and was awarded the cost of filing the suit. I asked for lawyers' fees (like asking for PR and marketing fees in this case). Those are rarely awarded, and weren't in my case, since I was my own lawyer.

What I do think on the surface about Universal's case against some of the many who got caught up in the viral marketing storm that Firefly so richly deserved, is that the legal defense of this group that Universal is charging with licensing fees and penalties is "where was the harm?" Can Universal prove that such efforts as those of 11th Hour (one of the CafePress marketers) harmed profits from FF/Serenity? 

It looks like there is plenty of documentation on the web (Adventive's case study, for example) that the viral marketing plan was a planned and skillful manipulation of people who had their own enthusiasm for the 'verse. For Universal to use people who were willing to be used to get more of FF/Serenity, and then say those same people harmed them and their licensing endeavor, especially with beautifully done new materials, should be legally dicey. But I'm not a lawyer. 

I do think that every Browncoat has to rethink contribution to Universal and Universal's Alliance with licensees. I know that means diminishing hope that FF/Serenity will ever return. 

I am about to order the "Never give up" cards from 11th hour. They fit, the Browncoats,  the fanware producers, and me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How odd, how very odd. Today I heard some music that reminded me of Serenity. I wasn&#8217;t sure of the match, so I unwrapped the DVD I bought for my daughter, and began to play a part of it, and was caught up again in the FF/Serenity &#8216;verse. Then I learned of Universal&#8217;s legal threats against 11th hour, whose CafePress shop shows original artwork of the Chinese character for &#8220;serenity.&#8221; Now I wish I had sent the DVD back to Universal for a refund.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer. As you may know, a little bit, from the website I listed above, I was sued by the University of Pennsylvania for a tuition debt that I didn&#8217;t owe. I proved it in court, and was awarded the cost of filing the suit. I asked for lawyers&#8217; fees (like asking for PR and marketing fees in this case). Those are rarely awarded, and weren&#8217;t in my case, since I was my own lawyer.</p>
<p>What I do think on the surface about Universal&#8217;s case against some of the many who got caught up in the viral marketing storm that Firefly so richly deserved, is that the legal defense of this group that Universal is charging with licensing fees and penalties is &#8220;where was the harm?&#8221; Can Universal prove that such efforts as those of 11th Hour (one of the CafePress marketers) harmed profits from FF/Serenity? </p>
<p>It looks like there is plenty of documentation on the web (Adventive&#8217;s case study, for example) that the viral marketing plan was a planned and skillful manipulation of people who had their own enthusiasm for the &#8216;verse. For Universal to use people who were willing to be used to get more of FF/Serenity, and then say those same people harmed them and their licensing endeavor, especially with beautifully done new materials, should be legally dicey. But I&#8217;m not a lawyer. </p>
<p>I do think that every Browncoat has to rethink contribution to Universal and Universal&#8217;s Alliance with licensees. I know that means diminishing hope that FF/Serenity will ever return. </p>
<p>I am about to order the &#8220;Never give up&#8221; cards from 11th hour. They fit, the Browncoats,  the fanware producers, and me.</p>
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		<title>By: thevoiceinmyhead</title>
		<link>http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/10/28/an-open-letter-to-universal/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>thevoiceinmyhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>browncoats are forever</description>
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